Message-ID: <163AF0550985D41184B30090279C24E67743CF@SAGRUS002> From: "HIRST, Michael" <Michael.Hirst@Axa-corporatesolutions.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:08:30 -0400 Subject: RE: [suse-oracle] Suse 7.3 + Oracle ???
I would like to make a point here. Getting an operating system and a
database operating in a production environment is serious business and comes
at a cost that needs to be born by the business/person or whatever is trying
to do something serious and worthwhile. Wouldn't it be nice to know that
after you have done your due diligence in matching up the business
requirements to technology that you can be assured that the solutions that
you have chosen can inter operate. Why do you think that hardware and
software companies spend so much time and money in deterring the capability
of there stuff. Think about it certifying software on different platforms
takes money. Who is going to pay for the different hardware/software
configurations necessary to test this. Putting this another way if we talk
about companies that produce medicine that cures illness do you think that
they do not pass along the R&D costs necessary to produce and market the
drug.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hasenstein [mailto:mha@suse.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:05 PM
To: Michael Daskaloff
Cc: suse-oracle@suse.com; 'Logan McLeod'
Subject: Re: [suse-oracle] Suse 7.3 + Oracle ???
Michael Daskaloff wrote:
> OK.
> The problem seems to be with me.
> I actually didn't knew how costly and difficult a certification process
could be.
> Now I have an idea.
>
> Also I had missunderstand some things based on my previous experience with
Oracle.
> This my experience states the following:
> If an operating system is not Certified by Oracle then Oracle WILL NOT
INSTALL or NOT RUN on it.
>
> It seems that things maybe have changed.
No. The only difference: So far, if a vendor took the time and effort do
build a relationship with Oracle so that hey port their software to that
platform, then of course, they'd also do a certification and not just
the port itself (that would be pretty pointless); now with Linux they
have the port anyway, and now certification or not is an additional,
extra issue.
> Can I just ask a final question:
> Will I be able to install and run Oracle at a satisfactory perfomance and
reliability level (I mean not crashing everyday and not running slower than
on SuSE 7.1) on SuSE 7.3 Professional Edition
Yes. And as I said, depending on effort, we'll continue to certify the
Professional Edition
- if we have the time
- if it's not too much effort
- only the database, iAS takes wayyyy too long and Apps 11i is so
special and expensive (and also takes very long, like iAS, and requires
a BIG system) that there's no question that someone has to pay.
Again, we are trying to provide ADDED value, not to let you pay for what
you already have, or to make money from other peoples work (the open
source development community). This ethical attitude also makes business
sense because against common sense and decency you cannot build a
busines. That we made a loss on the certification so far - simply
because we didn't have an SLES offering yet, Linux wasn't in the
enterprise level class where anyone is willing to have certification,
and because we wanted to be in the market very early and were willing to
pre-finance - plus the fact that certification as of 9i is 3 weeks more
complicated (to put it this way), we have to act as if we take something
away, granted.
> ? Will there be any new features or bugs which are known to prevent
successfull running of Oracle under SuSE 7.3 Profesional or Personal
Edition?
No, I'm very confident it will run just fine. Oracle has few
requirements, bascially kernel, glibc, and a running X. The subleties
come in production use esp. of large systems.
> I don't need RAC. I don't need expensive and complex hardware - just a
couple of IDE or SCSI disks. I don't need Large memory support. I just need
a general purpose Linux server for a small database (<20GB).
Go ahead. We know this segment exists and of course try to be there,
even without having a big profit there, simply because you cannot take
ONLY the filet slices of the market, we want to be the Oracle-Linux
leaders so we have to take care of the mass market as well. Only
condition: it cannot be done at ANY cost, meaning the certifications.
> I want to use this server for limited FTP, HTTP, SAMBA and other services.
Sure...
> P.S. Thank you Michael Hasenstein for taking time to answer
> to questions of peanuts like me.
Which is very risky to do, because a) this is "political" and any PR
person will tell yuo to stay out of this type of discussion (I'm almost
sure some people don't like me any more), and b) I don't hide my
feelings (cannot?).
Michael
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