From: Alexei_Roudnev (Alexei_Roudnev_at_exigengroup.com)
Date: Fri Jun 02 2006 - 20:33:45 CEST
Message-ID: <0c8101c68673$151e0dd0$6f31a8c0@sjc.exigengroup.com> From: "Alexei_Roudnev" <Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:33:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] SLES10 - so, we can expect the same low quality again?
I see, I should try RHEL and other distributions. I bid on SuSe few years ago (and did it our standard), but seen numerous problems with system features (SLES9 is pretty stable; but when I need to run something from open source world, I end up on FreeBSD each time when I try SuSe - because evberyrthing is etremely old and ansient, including mysql, jboss, php - or is verty new and not tested well, as php5 in SLES10 /different applications requires different php's, so FreeBSD offer you to instal few versions of php; the same with mysql) and useless support, and quality of new products make me think sometimes, that it could be a mistake.
Oracle related things are little better (now we have pretty new OCFSv2 version on new SLES9 Sp3 + upgrade), but still cause many questions,
We need cluster volume manager, volume manager must be adjusted with iSCSI, if Yast have gui to raid system, why have not it gui to raid control (you cannot rebuild raid using yast, for example); we need working backup (ok, I have Veritas; but what if someone have not it? - yast backups was broken long ago, and I am not sure if they are fixed or not).
System itself it very good. But when it comes to support and, more important, to bug reports - it became a nightmare. We passed thru this nightmare with SLES9, and have it pretty stable after SP3 was released (but not before - release was not working at all, SP1 had numerous bugs, SP2 changed many drivers and caused numerous n=migration problems, as you know. Sp3 is the first SP which is really stable). SLES10 have more features vs SLES9 (SLES9 was in reality just 2.6 kernel adaptation), so we can expect more problems in release. And (the worst) no one in Novell want to make it work before it is officually lunched (they like to see numerous magazines trying it and writing _something is excellent but many things do not work at all?_.
PS. Btw, SLES10 have now gnome desktop as a default. So, it lost one more important benefit (kde was always much more production-grade system vs gnome) it had vs other linuxes. The last thing they have now is yast; but I hear that they was thinking about replacing it with other components. (see last eWeek). After it, no one will need SuSe at all.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fahim S
To: Alexei_Roudnev
Cc: suse-sles-e@suse.com
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] SLES10 - so, we can expect the same low quality again?
Learn from Novell..how to kill promising products churned out by it's world class engineers and technical teams.
SuSe had a great future..until Novell decided to take it over and try it's hand in marketing it!!
On 6/2/06, Alexei_Roudnev <Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com> wrote:
I had a chance to try beta rc2.
What's wondering me - even if I have access to beta and can test it, I still
do not see any convenient channel to report a problems.
Eeverything is as before - _use your normal contact_ (which means _never
report, because this contact have nothing to do with beta's), and no any
single message in README for those who test beta.
Why, the hell, Novell can not learn, how to make a good Beta testing, as
most companies are doing:
- propose Beta to all who is ready to evaluate it, _before_ issuing release;
- create esy-to-use reporting tool, so that no one possible problem keeps
unreported;
- collect all problem reports and classify them;
- and do it all _before_ issuing final release?
(I do not want to disclosure problems here; but believe me, It have numerous
installation problems, starting wiith _package not found_ errors in yast.)
It's too bad - system is very promising.
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