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Date: Thu May 11 2006 - 14:36:51 CEST
From: jonlists@cbsol.com Message-ID: <OFCC30E262.C249469D-ON8625716B.0044D4A8-8625716B.00454B35@cbsol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:36:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] SLES 10 Open Beta - When?
How many people complaining about this officially requested the beta from
Novell, or a Novell Partner, rather than just expecting to download an
"open beta" from which Novell would get little or no feedback? What's the
point of that?
I noticed that betas of both SLES10 and SLED are available through our
Partner site login a while back. Have you guys talked to your partners
about this?
Jon Johnston
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Rainer Duffner <rainer@ultra-secure.de> wrote on 05/11/2006 04:04:02 AM:
> Marcus Meissner wrote:
> > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 12:44:04PM -0700, Alexei_Roudnev wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm.
> >>
> >> I can predict the same trouble again - too narrow beta testing for
SLES10,
> >> because of no open beta. As a result, we will need to wait until
> >> ServicePack1.
> >>
> >>
> >> PS. Novel never realize, that testing Limnux require thousands of
> >> installation, doing on thousands of very different (sometimes
unusual)
> >> environments. The only way to do it is to have an open (with
restrictions,
> >> ok) beta programms.
> >> Of course, OpenSuSe simplify it all (allowing ,many installations to
be
> >> tested in real environments), but SLES10 release still wil not
beusable in
> >> productions, except if we will see 2 - 3 month Open beta program over
it.
> >> Notice, tnat both, SLES9 and SLES8 relases, was not usable. People
like to
> >> make the same mistakes again and again.
> >>
> >
> > You are aware that SUSE Linux 10.1 is the codebase that SLES 10 uses
and
> > that the open Betas and RCs for SL 10.1 are the massive open beta
test? ;)
> >
>
>
> Yes, to some degree.
>
> But how many users still actually have some SCSI-hardware at home (and
> use it)?
> Do you have a SAN at home?
> Do you actually have an LTO2-tape library at home?
> SuSE and SLES probably work well for hardware that SuSE uses on a
> day-to-day basis.
>
> The reality is: SuSE10.x will be installed on a lot of system, but only
> a small percentage will resemble the kind of systems SLES10 is bought
for.
>
> Yes, it's the responsibility of the hardware-vendor to ensure that SLES
> runs well on their (server-) hardware.
> But it seems nobody does that very rigorously - and the "certification"
> is often only with limited scope (i.e. just one special configuration).
> W2K3 is still the OS that you can trust to run on your server with the
> least problems and where the vendor will put most efforts behind to
> solve problems - simply because W2K3 is the OS drivers are actually
> written and tested for.
>
>
> >> (OK, we all learned already and do not plan release versions in
production.
> >> So, SLES0 release will be a real open beta -:), and SLES10 SP1 will
be a
> >> real release. I only guess, why they can not use correct names -
SLES10 and
> >> SLES9 are BETAS, and SLES9 SP1 and SLES10 SP1 are/will_be production
0
> >> releases.).
> >>
> >
> > I would not say so. They are stable releases.
> >
>
> To a certain degree, yes.
> I worked quite a bit with SLES8 in the disguise of SLOX - and it really
> needed its patches after the initial install ;-)
>
> That said, given the current development model of "Linux", it must be a
> real pain to maintain something like "SLES" for 5 years.
>
> I don't think it's very productive to start the same discussion from
> some months ago again - I just can't imagine any positive outcome.
>
> Novell should just keep in mind that most people who demand an Open Beta
> are really interested in getting "their" bugs into the bug-fixing cycle
> as early as possible. Freebie-SLES-installs are not really their
> top-priority, as the kit it's running on isn't cheap either.
> And getting bugs fixed (or even acknowledged) can be very difficult, as
> we've seen on this list ....
>
>
>
> cheers,
> Rainer
>
>
>
>
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