From: Alexei_Roudnev (Alexei_Roudnev_at_exigengroup.com)
Date: Fri Aug 24 2007 - 19:42:55 CEST
Message-ID: <05aa01c7e676$34168910$7931a8c0@exigengroup.com> From: "Alexei_Roudnev" <Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:42:55 -0700 Subject: [suse-sles-e] (off) Re: [suse-sles-e] SP1 upgrade failed using rug
We do work with FreeBSD (which is more popular and better maintained vs
OpenBSD, but is generally the same inside).
It have an excellent maintanance:
- we always have 2 current releases on the full support, one older (5.5 for
now) and one newer (6.3 for now);
- software can be installed thru port system, which 'download software,
patch it, check dependencies, compile and install_;
- almost all OpenSource software is available thru port system (see above).
In additional, many software can be installed trhu packages (as a binaries)
by a single command (no any 'zippers, crappers, etc.,.. a SINGLE simple
command and that's all).
- What is more important - yes, new releases are coming every few month
(inside every branch). When branch became stable (5.5) it is maintained for
a few years after it (to the N.10 - N.13 usually, for example, 4 was
maintained up to 4.13).
- There are 3 ways to updgrade:
* recompile upgrade - you run cvsup, get new version of core components,
compile and install. YOu have older packages installed ontop the new base
system after it. Sometimes you must upgrade some packages before going
forward, but usually it works pretty smooth, I upgrdaed 4 FreeBSD 4.7 onto
FreeBSD 5.5, and we upgraded about 10 FreeBSD 4.7 - 4.11 onto FreeBSD 6.2
during last month, all on the fly, with a minor problems.
* Run from the installation CD;
* Boot from CD but install from network.
- What is more important - all software is UP-TO-DATE. No problems because
'SLES9 have only old , ansient Tomcat, and SLES10 do not support JBoss'. I
have all 3 different MySQL-s, all 3 different PHP-s, and so on in port sets,
so I can always choose which to install.
And they are updated regularry so they are always a last current version.
If I compare update process and software sets between FreeBSD and any Linux
(excluding Gentoo may be), FreeBSD is 100% winner. I believe that OpenBSD is
the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaël Lams" <lamsgael@gmail.com>
To: "Suse Lists" <suse-sles-e@suse.com>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] SP1 upgrade failed using rug
> Hi,
>
>> ......
>> Within the time I've wasted for upgrading three servers successfully
>> and struggling with two others I could have upgraded ~30 OpenBSD
>> servers. I can't understand why so many people accept so crappy and
>> lousy quality. If we didn't have to use SLES10 in some regards, I
>> would stop using it _right away_.
>
> If you only have 3 servers it's really better to update using the
> CD/DVD. I update +/- 15 servers by booting from the CD and it takes me
> +/- 15 minutes per server.
>
> I'm interesting in hearing more about OpenBSD which has a strategy
> regarding security that I like. I seem to remember that "new version"
> are released every 6 (or 12?) months. How do you manage the update
> between versions? How do you manage to apply security patches to more
> than a few servers?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gael
>
>> This is not professional, it is amateurish tinkering. I am using SuSE
>> products since 5.3 and have always believed in 'progress' and quality of
>> the distribution. Ok, upgrades never worked well (at least not if you
>> define 'well' as 'in BSD') - but I thought server products are
>> different. They are not. Same story, same tinkering and the same waste
>> of time on the customer side. All Novell can offer is a shrug of
>> shoulders.
>>
>> EOF
>>
>> - --
>>
>> Stephan A. Rickauer
>>
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