From: Alexei_Roudnev (Alexei_Roudnev_at_exigengroup.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 04:30:21 CET
Message-ID: <0bfa01c836ef$2a16a570$7031a8c0@exigengroup.com> From: "Alexei_Roudnev" <Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:30:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] (off. Should we move it out of the list?) Re: [suse-sles-e] Some questions about recntly released SLES Real time
Hmm..
Here is a point. OS vendor have 2 choices:
- provide integrated tools and state them as _ a primary configuration
method_;
- or have a few random commands and have everyone using his own way to
administrate a system (so that no one way is complete).
SuSe and Ubuntu selected a first way.
A huge RedHat error was, that they did not create an integrated tool long
ago. Now they have a huge number of badly ingenrated helpers (including
webmin, which is helper too), without any single configuration method.
It's not so important for the servers, but it is 100% stopper for any
desktop(s).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Scheck" <scheck@etes.de>
To: <suse-sles-e@suse.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] (off. Should we move it out of the list?) Re:
[suse-sles-e] Some questions about recntly released SLES Real time
> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007, Joseph Marton wrote:
>> Ah, then it's changed from the older version I used to use. Still,
>> the fact that the tools are all spread all over the place are
>> annoying. Trying to figure out which specific tool to run is such a
>> PITA.
>
> The Fedora/RHEL admin tools (redhat-config-* or later system-config-*)
> ALWAYS had TUI and GUI, some also have/had CLI. What ever you used, you
> either didn't look to it or your look was too short to say anything real
> about it. Well, finally it is a matter of taste. The commands are just
> always named system-config-* there and everything is in :)
>
> Why do you have to figure out, which tool has to run? If you want to
> install software, use system-config-software, in YaST you are selecting
> "Install/remove Software" or however it is currently named. You would like
> to configure the keyboard language layout? system-config-keyboard. Okay,
> you've to think just a tiny bit, but aren't we old enough to think? ;-)
>
>> With SLES you just fire up YaST and everything is in there.
>
> Ever looked behind the doors? AFAIK YaST uses (or at least used) a bunch
> of
> config files to hold variables which SuSEconfig takes to fill templates to
> end up as configuration file somewhere. Ever changed your Xorg or in
> former
> times XFree86 configuration your self and tried SaX(2)? The
> system-config-*
> stuff has a parser to read the configuration file correctly and write it
> the same syntactical way directly without walking about configuration
> files
> holding variables for templates which will be used to generate the real
> config file in the end. I may now get slapped by Novell and SuSE guys, as
> YaST now also behaves same - possible and accepted. IIRC, there are still
> cases, where SuSEconfig won't touch a configuration file, because you have
> modified it yourself.
>
> I don't want to blame one tool about another, both have its advantages and
> both have its disadvantages and it is - as already said - also very much a
> personal taste...
>
>
> With kind regards
>
> Robert Scheck
>
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