From: Alexei_Roudnev (Alexei_Roudnev_at_exigengroup.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 22:37:22 CET
Message-ID: <0c8f01c83787$052124f0$7031a8c0@exigengroup.com> From: "Alexei_Roudnev" <Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:37:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] (off. Should we move it out of the list?) Re: [suse-sles-e] Some questions about recntly released SLES Real time
I mean desktop - it comes with a single display manager, and yoiu can use
it's menu as an embedded tool(s). It is not a right approach for the server,
but it is partially acceptable for the desktop.
----- Original Message -----
From: "carlopmart" <carlopmart@gmail.com>
Cc: <suse-sles-e@suse.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] (off. Should we move it out of the list?) Re:
[suse-sles-e] Some questions about recntly released SLES Real time
Alexei_Roudnev wrote:
> Hmm..
>
> Here is a point. OS vendor have 2 choices:
> - provide integrated tools and state them as _ a primary configuration
> method_;
> - or have a few random commands and have everyone using his own way to
> administrate a system (so that no one way is complete).
>
> SuSe and Ubuntu selected a first way.
Sorry Alexei ... Ubuntu??? Ubuntu server doesn't have any tool like yast2 or
gui-tools like rhel ... Only Ubuntu desktop has.
>
> A huge RedHat error was, that they did not create an integrated tool long
> ago. Now they have a huge number of badly ingenrated helpers (including
> webmin, which is helper too), without any single configuration method.
Sorry. I think that it isn't an error (and webmin iti isn't part of rhel
and
doesn't have support from redhat). Major sites use third party tools (like
IBM
tivoli) if they need integrated tools to administer ...
>
> It's not so important for the servers, but it is 100% stopper for any
> desktop(s).
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Scheck" <scheck@etes.de>
> To: <suse-sles-e@suse.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] (off. Should we move it out of the list?) Re:
> [suse-sles-e] Some questions about recntly released SLES Real time
>
>
>> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007, Joseph Marton wrote:
>>> Ah, then it's changed from the older version I used to use. Still,
>>> the fact that the tools are all spread all over the place are
>>> annoying. Trying to figure out which specific tool to run is such a
>>> PITA.
>>
>> The Fedora/RHEL admin tools (redhat-config-* or later system-config-*)
>> ALWAYS had TUI and GUI, some also have/had CLI. What ever you used, you
>> either didn't look to it or your look was too short to say anything real
>> about it. Well, finally it is a matter of taste. The commands are just
>> always named system-config-* there and everything is in :)
>>
>> Why do you have to figure out, which tool has to run? If you want to
>> install software, use system-config-software, in YaST you are selecting
>> "Install/remove Software" or however it is currently named. You would
>> like
>> to configure the keyboard language layout? system-config-keyboard. Okay,
>> you've to think just a tiny bit, but aren't we old enough to think? ;-)
>>
>>> With SLES you just fire up YaST and everything is in there.
>>
>> Ever looked behind the doors? AFAIK YaST uses (or at least used) a bunch
>> of
>> config files to hold variables which SuSEconfig takes to fill templates
>> to
>> end up as configuration file somewhere. Ever changed your Xorg or in
>> former
>> times XFree86 configuration your self and tried SaX(2)? The
>> system-config-*
>> stuff has a parser to read the configuration file correctly and write it
>> the same syntactical way directly without walking about configuration
>> files
>> holding variables for templates which will be used to generate the real
>> config file in the end. I may now get slapped by Novell and SuSE guys, as
>> YaST now also behaves same - possible and accepted. IIRC, there are still
>> cases, where SuSEconfig won't touch a configuration file, because you
>> have
>> modified it yourself.
>>
>> I don't want to blame one tool about another, both have its advantages
>> and
>> both have its disadvantages and it is - as already said - also very much
>> a
>> personal taste...
>>
>>
>> With kind regards
>>
>> Robert Scheck
>>
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