From: Alexei Roudnev (Alexei_Roudnev_at_exigengroup.com)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 00:14:18 CET
Message-ID: <02e501c820ca$c1e8ef10$8525a8c0@exigengroup.com> From: "Alexei Roudnev" <Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:14:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] Latest YOU update introduces new dependency for giflib
It is not political issue at all.
We have many cases when we deliberately did not installed some packages or
kept them old or install by non-rpm way (we never install primary
applications such as tomcat or sometimes even java by rpm, for example).
On the other hand, we run updates time to time (mainly because they have bug
fixes and because it is simpler to
keep all servers in the same version / update generation vs having them all
updated in a random way.
And we never expected that update can install new package without asking
permission to do it (or without explicit option saying _install new packages
if required_.
Moreover, when updating, updater should make as conservative decisions as
possible. If new rpm can work without additional package (weak dependency)
then updater better do not install this additional package by default (when
you install new package, default should be opposite - all recommended
packages should be installed by default if admin don't ask opposite).
It is not political issue, it is _stability_ issue. SuSe managers choose do
not update packages in the older SLES versions to the new branches (you
can't got new Java or new PHP or new JBoss just updating SLES9 - you must
install very different SLES10 or install these packages manually). There is
a good (controversial but good) reason behind such decision. But once made
(decision to keep updates conservative), this decision must be followed
everywhere.
I don't see any political issues here, just system update policy issues. If
SLES already choose conservative policy, it should follow it. If not, we
should know, and then (if not conservative) - can I expect new php , new
heartbeat2 and new mysql in SLES9 (without need to upgrade to SLES10?) - I
think not because policy stay conservative.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Scheck" <scheck@etes.de>
To: "Novell SLES" <suse-sles-e@suse.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [suse-sles-e] Latest YOU update introduces new dependency for
giflib
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007, Oliver Frömel wrote:
> Could you please handle these (probably) political issues ofline?
When was this a political issue? At least it is none for me. I mentioned a
thing which shouldn't be case and there was an agreement. But as it seems,
a second thing turned out.
> Discussing these kind of issues using the "sles-e" list is surely not the
> right way, but I would accept this quietly....
You want me not to discuss about SLES things on a SLES list? On which list
else? On LKML, Gentoo, Mandriva or even at a Debian list? ;-)
I'm tracking this as SLES specific issue as long as I can't see any mistake
by my side. Satisfying weak requirements not during installation but during
an update is something, which should be adressed for an YOU update (?) or
however the update stack in YaST works, in my currently getting less humble
opinion. Finally this is what I'm currently seeing, feel free to correct me
if I'm wrong, but I can't get any shortcoming related to me as mentioned by
Marcus.
With kind regards
Robert Scheck
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