Message-Id: <p05001900b8af41e1d095@[192.168.1.2]> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:10:33 -0800 From: John Koenig <jfkoenig@vipb.com> Subject: RE: [suse-sparc] Will there be a SuSE 8.0 for Sparc?
Dear 90210,
What planet are you from?
I cannot believe you sent a message like this directly to Mr. Kukuk' e-mail.
Simply unbelievable.
> Your theorem is completely misplaced. I have joined many RedHat
>lists and gotten responses from RedHat employees and never paid a dime,
>though they do appreciate my taking the time to inform them of the
>issues with their documentation or code they wrote (something no SuSE
>employee, that I have seen, has ever done here thus far).
Good for you. From the looks of this letter and how much time you are
beating this issue, it appears you have been afforded a wealth of
disposable time.
>
> After all, will SuSE continue to make the Sun version of its
>Linux available for free on its website like this even after it has
>started to sell the product? Or are you going "I386isize" it, and never
>put the ISOs on your website again. If it does not choose to keep giving
>SuSE Linux for SPARC away after it starts to sell it, will we all be
>thanked for debugging your code for you?
How can pointing out something broken be similar to debugging code?
Ever been in retail? Do you have any idea about the costs of
distributing ANYTHING?
>
> I am American,
it is profusely showing;
I will reserve sharing my Nationality until the
tomatoes quit flying through the air.
> and while others in other parts of the world may
>not view the GPL or its intended meaning the way we do here in the US,
>many people [in the US, as juxtaposed against US legislative intent] see
>the lack of SuSE's willingness to distribute (or allow the distribution,
>buy clearing placing YAST under the GPL) the I386 version of its Linux
>(ISOs) via the web or ftp, as a very bad faith violation of the GPL if
>not legally, certainly spiritually and morally.
Evidently you have no concept of the costs of providing bandwidth for
distributing the ISOs. It is not trivial.
It also disaffects a revenue stream that is needed to continue
development. If SuSE is going to invest the engineering talent to
produce a superior Linux "kit" then those people that labored to
produce it MUST BE compensated via some means. If SuSE business can
achieve this via margins made from distribution revenues, then that
is simply amazing and a very good thing.
>
> I must admit, I am not a lawyer, but I do believe that the lack
>of YAST's GPLness, is in fact a violation of the GPL. It is (as I
>understand it) a derivative work. In other words, YAST has no
>functionality if you remove Linux. Therefore, as I understand it YAST is
>a derivative work, and ought be properly licensed according to the
>stipulations of the GPL as it applies to Linux.
I believe your understanding is flawed.
>
> I have posted a bug (not this bug, a different one), and not one
>SuSE employee even acknowledged that they read it (not even personally
>offlist).
BFD
>... and it
>best to do this in the least arogant manner possible,...
ooooh... the irony is killing me.
>
> There is a fifth bug, a dma error that occurs on the Ethernet
>(happy meal) board when a large amount of network traffic flows on the
>board. I personally tested and experienced this, and no such problem
>exists when the same level of data is pumped using Solaris, thus, it is
>not a hardware problem.
Maybe there is an appropriate interface at SuSE for posting bugs. I
cannot imagine that putting the info into a user mailing list is
going to achieve the results you are expecting.
>
>Stuart
>Beverly Hills, CA
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