Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 08:01:31 +0100 From: Thorsten Kukuk <kukuk@suse.de> Message-ID: <20020309080131.B21835@suse.de> Subject: Re: [suse-sparc] Will there be a SuSE 8.0 for Sparc?
On Fri, Mar 08, IT3 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR-R wrote:
> Mr. Kukuk:
I know I shouldn't answer to this, but there is so much wrong:
>
> Your theorem is completely misplaced. I have joined many RedHat
> lists and gotten responses from RedHat employees and never paid a dime,
> though they do appreciate my taking the time to inform them of the
> issues with their documentation or code they wrote (something no SuSE
> employee, that I have seen, has ever done here thus far).
And the result is that Red Hat stopped the SPARC development ...
> Perhaps you ought to read some of the RedHat lists and see how
> they deal with the people helping them beta test their software (which
> is what you are doing buy giving it away, we are not dumb).
Did you ever make a beta test for SuSE? SuSE Linux 7.3/SPARC is no beta
test.
> After all, will SuSE continue to make the Sun version of its
> Linux available for free on its website like this even after it has
> started to sell the product? Or are you going "I386isize" it, and never
> put the ISOs on your website again. If it does not choose to keep giving
> SuSE Linux for SPARC away after it starts to sell it, will we all be
> thanked for debugging your code for you?
We already start selling it, you can buy a media kit for 7.1.
> I am American,
And? I am German and we have a lot of people from other countries here.
> and while others in other parts of the world may
> not view the GPL or its intended meaning the way we do here in the US,
> many people [in the US, as juxtaposed against US legislative intent] see
> the lack of SuSE's willingness to distribute (or allow the distribution,
> buy clearing placing YAST under the GPL) the I386 version of its Linux
> (ISOs) via the web or ftp, as a very bad faith violation of the GPL if
> not legally, certainly spiritually and morally.
Maybe you should ask your lawyer?
There is no violation of the GPL. The GPL explicit allows only to sell
a product and not give it away for free. Do you know that RMS sells
emacs in the past for money?
And that you are not allowed to distribute our ISO images has nothing to
do with the YaST license. The YaST license allows you to give a copy
for free to everybody you wish. But the license of commercial products
like StarOffice, java and other does not allow it to you to put ISO
images for download in the net.
For this reason we have a ftp version which you can install over ftp
and does not contain such software.
>
> I must admit, I am not a lawyer, but I do believe that the lack
> of YAST's GPLness, is in fact a violation of the GPL. It is (as I
> understand it) a derivative work. In other words, YAST has no
From which should it be a derivative work? It is our own implementation
and no derivative work.
> functionality if you remove Linux. Therefore, as I understand it YAST is
> a derivative work, and ought be properly licensed according to the
> stipulations of the GPL as it applies to Linux.
Linux is the kernel. You can replace the kernel with the hurd version
or the SCO kernel like Caldera is doing. You are wrong here, too.
> I have posted a bug (not this bug, a different one), and not one
> SuSE employee even acknowledged that they read it (not even personally
Where did you post ist? If you send it to feedback@suse.de, you will
get an automatic answer. If we would answer every reporter personally,
we have to hire a lot of more people, for which we don't have the money.
This list here is not for reporting bugs to SuSE.
> There is a fifth bug, a dma error that occurs on the Ethernet
> (happy meal) board when a large amount of network traffic flows on the
> board. I personally tested and experienced this, and no such problem
> exists when the same level of data is pumped using Solaris, thus, it is
> not a hardware problem.
There are a lot of more bugs, or do you think anybody is able to
produce error free software?
I think you speak about the bug in the kernel PCI code, where a fix
was send on the official sparc kernel list some time ago.
Thorsten
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