Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: Yasholomew Yashinski <yashy@mail.yashy.com> Message-ID: <20020310085933.K17817-100000@mail.yashy.com> Subject: RE: [suse-sparc] Will there be a SuSE 8.0 for Sparc?
> Your theorem is completely misplaced. I have joined many RedHat
> lists and gotten responses from RedHat employees and never paid a dime,
> though they do appreciate my taking the time to inform them of the
> issues with their documentation or code they wrote (something no SuSE
> employee, that I have seen, has ever done here thus far).
>
> Perhaps you ought to read some of the RedHat lists and see how
> they deal with the people helping them beta test their software (which
> is what you are doing buy giving it away, we are not dumb).
I would imagine the lists are rather sparse since there is no support for
sparc from them anymore. Boasting about never paying a dime shows no
incentive to help this community, and only makes your arguements more weak
then they already are.
> After all, will SuSE continue to make the Sun version of its
> Linux available for free on its website like this even after it has
> started to sell the product? Or are you going "I386isize" it, and never
> put the ISOs on your website again. If it does not choose to keep giving
> SuSE Linux for SPARC away after it starts to sell it, will we all be
> thanked for debugging your code for you?
After following SuSE i386 for many years, I have my fingers crossed that
the sparc port can be as advanced some day. From what you have wrote
above, this shows you have contributed in no way.
> I am American, and while others in other parts of the world may
> not view the GPL or its intended meaning the way we do here in the US,
> many people [in the US, as juxtaposed against US legislative intent] see
> the lack of SuSE's willingness to distribute (or allow the distribution,
> buy clearing placing YAST under the GPL) the I386 version of its Linux
> (ISOs) via the web or ftp, as a very bad faith violation of the GPL if
> not legally, certainly spiritually and morally.
What is your arguement now? That you're American? Your ignorance towards
the GPL? It's hard to follow your message.
> I must admit, I am not a lawyer, but I do believe that the lack
> of YAST's GPLness, is in fact a violation of the GPL. It is (as I
> understand it) a derivative work. In other words, YAST has no
> functionality if you remove Linux. Therefore, as I understand it YAST is
> a derivative work, and ought be properly licensed according to the
> stipulations of the GPL as it applies to Linux.
Idem.
> I have posted a bug (not this bug, a different one), and not one
> SuSE employee even acknowledged that they read it (not even personally
> offlist). If you want people to believe that you care about a product
> and making it work, then at minimum you must at least acknowledge you
> are doing more than just reading the list and staying silent, and it
> best to do this in the least arogant manner possible, not in the tone in
> which your post (included herein below for reference purposes) came off
> to me.
Where did you post it? bugzilla? People do believe they care about their
product, you're on your own here. Writing this from a SuSE/Sparc machine
shows to me they care, as I can't imagine it helps their revenue stream to
much at this stage.
> Not to mention some several weeks ago I had a client whom
> installed SuSE SPARC and was WILLING TO PAY for support, but was unable
> to do so. So it is just not a matter of "here its free, thank us and
> good luck". It is a matter of what the mix requires. I am a consultant,
> if I am able to get a distro (for SPARC, Intel or whatever hardware I
> own) for free and have some assistance making it work, then I can assure
> you (as I have done), I will use it at my consulting engagements and
> make sure my clients pay for it.
Why is SuSE responsible for your clients unability to pay for it? It's
rather easy to purchase, the website has already been posted on this list.
> There is a fifth bug, a dma error that occurs on the Ethernet
> (happy meal) board when a large amount of network traffic flows on the
> board. I personally tested and experienced this, and no such problem
> exists when the same level of data is pumped using Solaris, thus, it is
> not a hardware problem.
The above paragraph could be useful, with a little more details.
My thanks also to SuSE for their sparc port. Their time and energy is
appreciated. Hopefully this can financially benefit your company, and
grow as the i386 port does.
Cheers,
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