<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 7 Nov 2017, at 10:35, Joe Doupnik <<a href="mailto:jrd@netlab1.net" class="">jrd@netlab1.net</a>> wrote:</div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">---------</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> While chasing down the details of this one may ask about how this works if one had to create a new service. In that chase one comes across a reference to man page systemd.service(7) which seems to be a key item. Alas, if one tries to read it we quickly discover the authors don't understand reading, only writing beyond the right margin, and we are left almost stranded. Try man 7 systemd.service to check this yourself. Similarly, discovering what "services" are on offer is carefully hidden from the view of mere mortals, so YaST is our easiest source of clues. Methinks we need a Siri module/oracle to ask about serious matters.</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> We are also left wondering about the IP access controls in xinetd items. They appear to be omitted in the systemd jungle (meaning scattered widely, obscured visibility, torturous terrain). That means we must revert to direct control in IPtables, which we can do.</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> This seems to be another instance of missing the goal of usability. Curiously, SUSE has done a sterling job (quality and cost) about usability with YaST and module installation, first rate, far beyond efforts by other vendors, and that counts. Yet there is a lack of suitable documentation to readily surmount present difficulties (see yesterday's "bridge over troubled waters"). I think there needs to be more bridge building, else we will be stranded on the far side searching for alternatives.</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> Thanks,</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> Joe D.</span><br style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is a bug report related to man pages: <a href="https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1066980" class="">https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1066980</a></div><div class="">but it’s related to formatting issue. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So if you find some missing pieces in the manpages, please create a dedicated bug report</div><div class="">and specify what you think can help you or other.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course documentations and manpages are really important for us, and your input </div><div class="">can help us improve here.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Have a nice day,</div><div class="">Regards,<br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div>--<br class="">Vincent Moutoussamy<br class="">SUSE Beta Program and SDK Project Manager</div></div></div></div></body></html>