[sles-beta] Desktop Environment for SUSE Linux Enterprise 12

[Michael Andersson]

This all falls to the fact that KDE was defacto desktop in SuSE for many many years and it created wide range of
customers still using KDE in their environment.

IMHO it's a stupid move to remove KDE so suddenly without proper transition phase.

5.3.2014 15.00 kirjoitti Marcus Moeller <marcus.moeller at gmx.ch>:
>
> Hi again. 
>
> > I also fully agree!! 
> > 
> > Best Regards 
> > Klaus 
> > 
> 
Hi again.

> I also fully agree!!
>
> Best Regards
> Klaus
>
> P.S.: about the industry standard on GUI:
>
> - RHEL 5, 6 and also 7 ships with KDE
> - RHEL with KDE was/is of course supported

Imho there is nothing like GNU/Linux industry standards. One of the 
greatest advantages of GNU/Linux is the flexibility and availability of 
different toolsets. And this has also been set with the inclusion of vi 
and emacs (there are even more good editors available, btw).

The reason I understand, is to find a way to limit the amount of work 
for supporting a product over a long period of time. Reducing the number 
of included tools, in one way to achieve this.

But as you can see from all the feedback, this won't work in all areas. 
There is a strong demand in KDE and I also fully support it. And if it's 
just about having an alternate DE.

Greetings
Marcus

>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: sles-beta-bounces at lists.suse.com
>> [mailto:sles-beta-bounces at lists.suse.com] Im Auftrag von David Boyes
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Februar 2014 22:56
>> An: Jan Weber; sles-beta at lists.suse.com
>> Betreff: Re: [sles-beta] Desktop Environment for SUSE Linux Enterprise 12
>>
>>
>>> When desktop environments are concerned there is a de facto industry
>>> standard which is GNOME,
>>
>> Desktop and GUI tooling are as personal as editors. Even if we limit
>> the discussion to pure Linux only users that don't use any other
>> system, there are certainly some violent disagreements with calling
>> GNOME the "standard interface" (or whether to use it (or any GUI at
>> all)). To put it in your terms in the presentation, GNOME and KDE are
>> analogous to vi and emacs. Both have fierce partisans, and nobody
>> needs editor wars -- or GUI wars, in this case.
>>
>> I'd also argue that the choice is not likely to be up to the people in
>> this group. The people who care most about this stuff are the end
>> users who make the decisions about what they use, not us, and they get
>> super-cranky with people who take away their favorite shiny toys. They
>> also, not coincidentally, write the checks. Trifle not with their anger.
>>
>>> which also has been the default installation option
>>> with SLE 11. This lead us to the decision to focus our efforts on
>>> GNOME over
>>> other desktop environments.
>>
>> What you default to is one choice, and it's totally OK to focus *your*
>> efforts on that environment. That's been a pretty good compromise in
>> the past, and it's one that doesn't demand a whole lot from you.
>>
>> What you provide as alternative choices are a very different animal,
>> and dropping KDE entirely doesn't seem to be a reasonable step. It's
>> still the "other" significant choice, and - better or worse -- it
>> doesn't justify the loss of productivity for the thousands of KDE users.
>>
>>> Another noteworthy fact about our focus on one desktop environment is
>>> that this is not related to GUI toolkits, as there is no industry
>>> standard in
>>> place there, we are supporting both GTK and Qt, also we are including
>>> some
>>> KDE libraries for smoother migration and application compatibility,
>>> however
>>> this is not a fully functional KDE.
>>
>> The compromise of you spending your time fine tuning the default GNOME
>> environment  to however you like it and shipping a working KDE
>> environment only minimally customized as an alternative would be
>> acceptable to us. We customize the shipped KDE anyway, it's not a
>> whole lot more work to do the whole thing if the basic binaries and
>> defaults are there.
>>
>>
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