[sles-beta] php disappeared in beta6?

[Joe Doupnik]

Richard,
     Thanks for stepping in.
     I used those words carefully, as that is what the current 
statements suggest.
     Offering multiple tracks for selected RPM groups is one thing, an 
interesting innovation which would be a good step forward. Removing such 
core material from the mainline distribution and tying them to 
subscription-only repos is a very different matter and some of us think 
it would be a fatal move. Again, I chose that word purposefully.
     Thanks,
     Joe D.

On 15/05/2014 09:04, rbrown wrote:
> 'hostage taking'? quite an emotive way of putting it Joe :)
> Without wanting to preempt too much Matthias' call, partially because 
> I'm lacking all the details, I would like to share a little about what 
> I know about Modules and why I think they're exciting.
> In my past life as a customer, I was involved in lots of conversations 
> about how SLES was not the best platform for certain workloads, such 
> as PHP Web Hosting, as the release cycle and strict adherence to 
> keeping versions the same over the lifespan of a SLE release meant it 
> was hard/impossible to run more recent versions of PHP on top of SLES.
> It is my understanding that 'Modules' is an answer to that issue, a 
> way for SUSE to deliver specific software stacks at a different rate 
> of change than the 'core' SLES platform
>
> So I wouldn't characterize the relocation of PHP as 'hostage taking', 
> but more 'liberation', able to follow a slightly different path which 
> I expect Matthias' presentation will explain far better than I can.
>
> On 2014-05-15 09:36, Joe Doupnik wrote:
>> Without having heard Matthias' presentation on the topic, the
>> appearance at present is this is hostage taking. As we all know, PHP
>> is a central component of building production servers. Chasing down
>> -devel RPMs is awkward enough, now core material is being placed
>> behind locked doors. Might someone offer a brief explanation of why
>> this approach is being taken?
>>     Thanks,
>>     Joe D.
>>
>> On 14/05/2014 22:14, Matthias G. Eckermann wrote:
>>> On 2014-05-14 T 15:55 +0000 Beddingfield, Allen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can confirm this as an issue, too. We
>>>> definitely require that PHP be included, since we
>>>> are hosting our web infrastructure on SLES.
>>> PHP is not on the "ISO" anymore, but in a "module",
>>> which is only delivered online.
>>>
>>> To get PHP, please register your system during
>>> installation and chose the "Web & Scripting" module.
>>>
>>> More on the "Modules" concept I will explain in one
>>> of the next beta calls.
>>>
>>> so long -
>>>     MgE
>>>
>>>> From: sles-beta-bounces at lists.suse.com 
>>>> [sles-beta-bounces at lists.suse.com] on behalf of Tony Ernst 
>>>> [tee at sgi.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 10:35 AM
>>>> To: sles-beta at lists.suse.com
>>>> Subject: [sles-beta] php disappeared in beta6?
>>>>
>>>> Sles12 beta5 had php (php5) rpms. They seem to have disappeared in 
>>>> beta6.
>>>> Was that intentional? Oddly enough, the php5-devel and the pcp .src 
>>>> rpm
>>>> are still in the beta6 SDK.
>>
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